From williams@csgrad.cs.vt.edu Fri Sep 6 10:46:32 1996 Received: from csgrad.cs.vt.edu by ei.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-0406PM) id AA17665; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:46:32 -0400 Received: by csgrad.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Sep94-1023AM) id AA23118; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:46:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9609061446.AA23118@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Subject: This is a test To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:46:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen M. Williams" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 554 Just testing to see if multiple forwards work. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- || //////// V I R G I N I A T E C H C O M P U T E R S C I E N C E ||// // --- S t e p h e n W i l l i a m s --- |// // williams@csgrad.cs.vt.edu http://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/~williams/ -----------------------------i use netscape mail-------------------------- Signature and message (c)1995,1996 All rights reserved -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From williams@csgrad.cs.vt.edu Fri Sep 6 11:09:45 1996 Received: from csgrad.cs.vt.edu by ei.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-0406PM) id AA23889; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:09:45 -0400 Received: by csgrad.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Sep94-1023AM) id AA02469; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:09:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9609061509.AA02469@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Subject: Startup Message for CS6204:wwwbtb To: wwwbtb@csgrad.cs.vt.edu Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen M. Williams" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 813 All of those who sent mail to jobrequest@daphne or mytopic@daphne should get a forward of ALL mail directed to wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu I will send a list around on Tuesday to get addresses for any others. If you ever need to have your name deleted from this list please send mail to me (williams@cs.vt.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- || //////// V I R G I N I A T E C H C O M P U T E R S C I E N C E ||// // --- S t e p h e n W i l l i a m s --- |// // williams@csgrad.cs.vt.edu http://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/~williams/ -----------------------------i use netscape mail-------------------------- Signature and message (c)1995,1996 All rights reserved -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pbrooks@csgrad.cs.vt.edu Fri Sep 6 20:17:12 1996 Received: from csgrad.cs.vt.edu by ei.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-0406PM) id AA14501; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:17:12 -0400 Received: by csgrad.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Sep94-1023AM) id AA11448; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:17:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9609070017.AA11448@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Subject: Approaching clients for web page design/ web projects To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:17:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Patrick N. Brooks" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 392 Howdy, Is there any record of which clients on the list have been approached by someone in the class? It would be best if a client wasn't approached 7 times during the semester once a student starts on that client's pages. This may not be a problem -- just something I see coming. Thanks, Patrick -- Patrick Brooks Grad Student, Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept. pbrooks@vt.edu From abrams@daphne.cs.vt.edu Mon Sep 9 11:01:07 1996 Received: from daphne.cs.vt.edu by ei.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-0406PM) id AA03295; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:01:07 -0400 Received: by daphne.cs.vt.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0S) id AA09760; Mon, 9 Sep 96 11:01:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 11:01:06 -0400 From: Marc Abrams Message-Id: <9609091501.AA09760@daphne.cs.vt.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu Subject: Java CD's are here Last class I mentioned that there would be CDs on Java (requiring Windows 95 + sound card) available for a special price from MindQ. They have arrived. If you want to purchase one, please bring a check for $15 to class, made payable to MindQ Publishing, Inc. From abrams@daphne.cs.vt.edu Mon Sep 9 11:04:11 1996 Received: from daphne.cs.vt.edu by ei.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-0406PM) id AA17255; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:04:11 -0400 Received: by daphne.cs.vt.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0S) id AA09766; Mon, 9 Sep 96 11:04:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 11:04:10 -0400 From: Marc Abrams Message-Id: <9609091504.AA09766@daphne.cs.vt.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu Subject: PS on Java CD note Visit http://www.mindq.com for more info on the Java CD (sample you can download, table of contents, ...) From williams@csgrad.cs.vt.edu Mon Sep 9 17:28:44 1996 Received: from csgrad.cs.vt.edu by ei.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-0406PM) id AA15060; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:28:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by csgrad.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Sep94-1023AM) id AA13274; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:28:43 -0400 Sender: williams@csgrad.cs.vt.edu Message-Id: <32348C0B.41C6@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 17:28:43 -0400 From: Stephen Williams Organization: Virginia Tech CS Dept. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu Subject: Job Assignments Now available. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Job assignments are now available. Note that many people did not get their first choice. This is a result of most people signing up for the same two or three jobs. There is also a NEW position, that of Review Board member. This job is meant to complement the Editor's job and to make the creation of this book a little more like the process of creating a published technical book. If you have ANY problems with your assignment please contact me or Dr. Abrams. We will try to work something out. The Jobs page is: http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~wwwbtb/fall.96/WebBook/Organizational/BookJobs.html -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- || //////// V I R G I N I A T E C H C O M P U T E R S C I E N C E ||// // --- S t e p h e n W i l l i a m s --- |// // williams@csgrad.cs.vt.edu http://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/~williams/ -----------------------------i use netscape mail-------------------------- Signature and message (c)1995,1996 All rights reserved -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From williams@csgrad.cs.vt.edu Thu Sep 12 14:07:21 1996 Received: from csgrad.cs.vt.edu by ei.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-0406PM) id AA02547; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:07:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by csgrad.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Sep94-1023AM) id AA01487; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:07:20 -0400 Sender: williams@csgrad.cs.vt.edu Message-Id: <32385158.41C6@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:07:20 -0400 From: Stephen Williams Organization: Virginia Tech CS Dept. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu Subject: Web Book Index page X-Url: http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~wwwbtb/fall.96/Email.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Web Book index page has been created at: http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~wwwbtb/fall.96/WebBook/ It contains a link to the Section assigments as mentioned at the end of class today. Please send links to me to add to the page for each of the "Groups" (e.g. Editorial Board, Copy Editor, etc) so that you can put up information as necessary w/o me as a bottleneck. I will also add links for information that you may wish to post (outside of the actual text of the book) for each section you are writing. This will allow others to see the progress AND provide for "cross-fertilization" and improve the cohesiveness of the final product. I am working on scripts which will make the process smoother, but this will take alittle time. Thanks for your patience -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- || //////// V I R G I N I A T E C H C O M P U T E R S C I E N C E ||// // --- S t e p h e n W i l l i a m s --- |// // williams@csgrad.cs.vt.edu http://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/~williams/ -----------------------------i use netscape mail-------------------------- Signature and message (c)1995,1996 All rights reserved -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrams@vt.edu Fri Sep 13 12:56:11 1996 Received: from actor.cs.vt.edu by ei.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-0406PM) id AA12312; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:56:11 -0400 Received: from actor (localhost) by cs.vt.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10085; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:55:57 -0400 Sender: abrams@vt.edu Message-Id: <3239921D.319D@vt.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:55:57 -0400 From: Marc Abrams Organization: Virginia Tech X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu Subject: MINDQ CDs for CS6204 - last call! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone else wants a MINDQ CD on Java for $15, please give me a check for $15 (payable to MINDQ Corporation) by next class (Tuesday, 17 September). Thanks! -MA From williams@csgrad.cs.vt.edu Mon Sep 16 12:10:49 1996 Received: from csgrad.cs.vt.edu by ei.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-0406PM) id AA06993; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:10:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by csgrad.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Sep94-1023AM) id AA31168; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:10:48 -0400 Sender: williams@csgrad.cs.vt.edu Message-Id: <323D7C08.1CFB@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:10:48 -0400 From: Stephen Williams Organization: Virginia Tech CS Dept. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu Subject: Job/Client Submission Form Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is now a form to submit your Web Client(s) and the Job(s) you will be doing for them. Right now, all you can do is submit and view the client database. I will add functionality later to search based on keyword(s). I may also allow annotations to the original listing if there is interest in that. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ || //////// V I R G I N I A T E C H C O M P U T E R S C I E N C E ||// // --- S t e p h e n W i l l i a m s --- |// // williams@csgrad.cs.vt.edu http://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/~williams/ ----------------------------i use netscape mail------------------------- Signature and message (c)1995,1996 All rights reserved ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dlee@visc.vt.edu Mon Sep 16 14:36:53 1996 Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu by ei.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-0406PM) id AA09724; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:36:53 -0400 Received: from strat.visc.vt.edu (strat.ee.vt.edu [128.173.88.250]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA28807 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ocarina.visc.vt.edu by strat.visc.vt.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA22106; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:32:57 -0400 Received: by ocarina.visc.vt.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA29055; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:36:42 -0400 From: dlee@visc.vt.edu (David Lee) Message-Id: <199609161836.OAA29055@ocarina.visc.vt.edu> Subject: Chapter Heading Style To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:36:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sorry to post this to everybody, but since this crosses multiple groups and might be of use to some people, here it is. :) Has anybody given any thought as to what the layout should be? IMHO, the deadline "Style template and art guidelines should be ready by October 8" needs to be moved up to as soon as possible (at least a draft outline by the end of the week) and not later than Sept 26 (date abstracts are due). One might also consider requiring the submission of an outline as well. I would urge the consideration of the following section organization. Chapter 4. Title Introductionary comments. 4.0 Section Title Blah Blah. 4.0.1 Subsection Title Yatta Yatta Yatta. 4.1 ... 4.11 Summary Summary comments. [4.12 References] Things like font selection, spacing, etc. can be done after the fact (though it would be nice to have this set up front as well). I would like to see the chapter organizational structure fixed so that if somebody decides that we shouldn't have subsections then I don't have to rewrite the whole thing . I assume that the reference convention will be ACM style as opposed to IEEE's? (Since this is hypertext based, might as well link the references to their place in the text.) Some thoughts for the appropriate groups/people to think about: o Is this going to be one long text or paged in some manner? o I assume the convention of figures captions on bottom (with periods) and table captions on top (without sentence periods)? Figure/Tables page centered? Flow around text? o Also, should references be attached to the chapters or a separate appendix? (Personally, I think it should be the former) Regards, DCL -- David C. Lee, EE PhD student - http://www.visc.vt.edu/~dlee - dlee@vt.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IEEE Reg3 Student Rep | Graduate Research Asst, SUCCEED Electronic Connectivity PHONE: 1-540-231-8398 | FAX: 1-540-231-3362 | LOCATION: 475 Whittemore Hall Virginia Tech Information Systems Center, Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0111 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IEEE Southeastcon 1997 CFP-http://www.vt.edu:10021/org/ieee/secon97/papers.html From paul@csgrad.cs.vt.edu Mon Sep 16 15:15:55 1996 Received: from csgrad.cs.vt.edu by ei.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-0406PM) id AA18303; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:15:55 -0400 Received: by csgrad.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Sep94-1023AM) id AA05415; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:15:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:15:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Mather To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu Subject: Re: Chapter Heading Style In-Reply-To: <199609161836.OAA29055@ocarina.visc.vt.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, David Lee wrote: [[Draft outline omitted.]] > Things like font selection, spacing, etc. can be done after the fact (though it > would be nice to have this set up front as well). The browser I use from home---lynx---doesn't allow me to select fonts, alter spacing, etc., etc. (It supports none of those high-falutin' fancy things.:) We will be producing an HTML book, not a PDF file, right??? > o I assume the convention of figures captions on bottom (with periods) > and table captions on top (without sentence periods)? Figure/Tables > page centered? Flow around text? Do you have "pages" (in the letter, A4, etc. sense) in HTML documents? Although it is meaningful to centre things horizontally, what does it mean to centre figure/tables vertically in an HTML document? Oh, and my lynx browser won't flow text around figures, too. :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul@csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jreiss@discus.ise.vt.edu Mon Sep 16 16:01:27 1996 Received: from discus.ise.vt.edu by ei.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-0406PM) id AA10294; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:01:27 -0400 Received: by discus.ise.vt.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA25421; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:01:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9609162001.AA25421@discus.ise.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Chapter Heading Style To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: jreiss@vt.edu From: Joe Reiss X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 5339 David Lee wonders: > Has anybody given any thought as to what the layout should be? We Style Editors are hoping (desperately) to meet this week sometime and start fleshing out some of these details. DL: > IMHO, the deadline "Style template and art guidelines should be > ready by October 8" needs to be moved up to as soon as possible (at > least a draft outline by the end of the week) and not later than > Sept 26 (date abstracts are due). One might also consider requiring > the submission of an outline as well. I agree that this would be ideal, but organizing a bunch of students from many different departments many of whom don't even know the other people in their group is not quite an ideal situation. Still, we need to be moving on this "Real Soon Now (tm)". DL: > I would urge the consideration of the following section organization. > > [...Sample org snipped...] Ah, a LaTeX user! The basic idea seems sound. I *DO NOT* think we should have numbered sub-subsections; that would only be more confusing. Sections, yes. Subsections... I could go either way on. DL: > Things like font selection, spacing, etc. can be done after the fact > (though it would be nice to have this set up front as well). There is no such thing as "font selection" as far as I'm concerned. At least not beyond and the occassional , , or . If I have my druthers, we will not be using the Netscape extension to change colors or font sizes. Spacing alteration beyond

,
, and the like is also something to be avoided. I'm an HTML purist. While I allow myself leeway on some things (mainly those that have been added to the HTML 3.2 spec), they are generally only things that will still render well on non-Netscape browsers like... Paul Mather jumps in: > The browser I use from home---lynx---doesn't allow me to select > fonts, alter spacing, etc., etc. (It supports none of those > high-falutin' fancy things.:) As a regular Lynx user myself, I appreciate this sentiment. I expect to check all pages for readability under Lynx as well as Netscape. PM: > We will be producing an HTML book, not a PDF file, right??? Abso-fraggin-lutely. DL again: > I would like to see the chapter organizational structure fixed so > that if somebody decides that we shouldn't have subsections then I > don't have to rewrite the whole thing . Something like this really doesn't seem to fit directly under any one job description. It's more than visual appearance, so it's not quite Style Editor domain. It partially fits into the Editorial Board's domain, and it's partly the Production Editor's opinion too. So it seems like the kinda thing that everybody just needs to hash out via the "wwwbtb" alias until we come to a concensus. DL: > Some thoughts for the appropriate groups/people to think about: > o Is this going to be one long text or paged in some manner? I would hope that, at the very least, each chapter would be it's own document! Question then is, what is a chapter here? Do we have six chapters, the main topics on the assignments page? Or do we have 28 chapters organized into six "volumes"? The latter seems to make more sense to me. Then each chapter is written by one person. Such a chapter should be the largest single entity we should consider keeping as a single HTML document, and there are good arguments for making each section of a chapter a separate document. Going much smaller than that is probably overkill, so I'd say one file either per chapter or per section. Other opinions? DL: > o I assume the convention of figures captions on bottom (with periods) > and table captions on top (without sentence periods)? Figure/Tables > page centered? Flow around text? PM again comments: > Although it is meaningful to centre things horizontally, what does it > mean to centre figure/tables vertically in an HTML document? It's meaningless. But I think David was referring to horizontal centering anyway. As for captions being above tables and below figures... Well, I've never quite understood the reasoning behind that, but then I suppose there's no reason to buck tradition. PM: > Oh, and my lynx browser won't flow text around figures, too. :-) Um, "your" lynx browser won't show figures period, except to show ALT strings :-) Though you can have some tricky fun by surrounding an IMG in a PRE block and putting a bit of ASCII art in the ALT string. Unfortunately, this is not officially sanctioned by HTML standards, though every browser I've ever seen handles it nicely. Anyway, it's easy enough to design pages that will use left/right alignment of images when available but will still look good in Lynx without the text flow. DL: > o Also, should references be attached to the chapters or a separate > appendix? (Personally, I think it should be the former) Agreed. Though considering that references will probably be reached by following a hypertext link, I also doubt it'll make a whole lot of difference in the long run. Joe R. -- | NeXTMail OK! | Mr. Kim, we're Starfleet officers. "Weird" is part of | | ________ | the job. | | | |__) | ======================================================== | | (_|OE| \EISS | - Capt. Janeway, "Deadlock" | From sears@vt.edu Mon Sep 16 16:19:30 1996 Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu by ei.cs.vt.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Sep94-0406PM) id AA17314; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:19:30 -0400 Received: from [128.173.228.176] (dil.vetmed.vt.edu [128.173.228.176]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA09678 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:19:28 -0400 X-Sender: sears@mail.vt.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:19:30 -0400 To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu From: sears@vt.edu (pris sears) Subject: Re: Chapter Heading Style Hi, all - I second (third) the motion to stick with the basic html set to ensure the widest possible audience - don't use: center sub/superscripts table tags (use 

 instead)
colored text
background graphics or sounds
font specification
frames
blinking, barking, or whirling gizmos
plug-ins

do use:
preformatted text when needed
head levels 1-6 (sparingly)
lists (
    , 
      )
bold
italic
escape codes for special characters
ALT tags on all tables/graphics

      

      

      

I am not on the style board, just my $.02 - I'm sure I am forgetting some
things :)

- pris

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From sears@vt.edu  Mon Sep 16 16:32:56 1996
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Subject: Re: Chapter Heading Style part 2


Joe said:
>I would hope that, at the very least, each chapter would be it's own
>document!  Question then is, what is a chapter here?  Do we have six
>chapters, the main topics on the assignments page?  Or do we have 28
>chapters organized into six "volumes"?  The latter seems to make more
>sense to me.  Then each chapter is written by one person.  Such a
>chapter should be the largest single entity we should consider keeping
>as a single HTML document, and there are good arguments for making
>each section of a chapter a separate document.  Going much smaller
>than that is probably overkill, so I'd say one file either per chapter
>or per section.  Other opinions?

The way we were envisioning it is 6 sections, with multiple chapters in
each section, 1 chapter per student (and students with similar topics
should confer to avoid duplication). Each student chapter would be one html
document, with perhaps a 2nd one for each abstract and a 3rd for chapter
references

I. History of the Internet

    History - Shahrooz Feizabadi
        
        
        

    Demographics - Mei See Yeoh
        
        
        
etc.


Make sense? - pris

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From sears@vt.edu  Mon Sep 16 16:56:51 1996
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Subject: Re: Chapter Heading Style part 3


oops, how about
6 *parts*  with multiple chapters in each *part*

(as opposed to 6 sections)

sorry for the confusion - pris

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PS:
> Hi, all - I second (third) the motion to stick with the basic html set to
> ensure the widest possible audience -

The other option is to have two sets of pages, one for the non-extension
people and one for the people who like for things to look nice.

BTW, Pris, why have an abstract per chapter?  Typically that should be
the introductionary section.

JR:
> I agree that this would be ideal, but organizing a bunch of students
> from many different departments many of whom don't even know the
> other people in their group is not quite an ideal situation.  Still,
> we need to be moving on this "Real Soon Now (tm)".

The "end of the week" statement was made to get somebody(ies) into action ;)  
I didn't expect to see anything until circa end of next week (some idea
of the general style can be done by then).  BTW, consider an email dicussion...
It's a absolutely great way to fill up your mail basket.  Might be nice
to have a mailing list for each editorial group to help facilitate the
discussions.

JR:
> Ah, a LaTeX user!  The basic idea seems sound.  I *DO NOT* think we

Er, not really.  I prefer WYSIWYG (say Microshaft Word :).  

> should have numbered sub-subsections; that would only be more
> confusing.  Sections, yes.  Subsections... I could go either way on.

I personally don't think we should have sub-subsections.  Usually indicative
of poor organization :)  Subsections are nice -- but I'm the same as you
on that -- can have them or not.  In general, however, the option should
be left open to have subsections.  This decision affects how people
will structure their documents and needs to be up front.  I tend to agree
with you that this is the Editorial Board's problem (technically, if it
is not specifically somebody else's problem, it's the Editorial Board :)

Also, the organization (beyond just section numbering) is important.
In general, consistancy is the key to a good publication.  The logical
structure of each and every chapter should be similar and "natural" 
(thus, that's why I think the editorial board should be approving people's 
abstracts and outlines).  These, IMHO, are the type of decisions that
need to be made ASAP -- the particular HTML tags and other trivial can
wait (unless we're going to take full advantage of hypertext).

JR:
> There is no such thing as "font selection" as far as I'm concerned.
> At least not beyond  and the occassional , , or .
> If I have my druthers, we will not be using the Netscape 
> extension to change colors or font sizes.  Spacing alteration beyond
> 
      , 
      , and the like is also something to be avoided.

See previous comment to Pris.  Another thing is the list tags -- use
them or gif images as bullets?  So many decisions :)

As to the discussion on pages, it's mine (and alot of other people's --
if I dig hard enough I can find you published articles) opinion that long
pages are a serious pain to read.  People, in general, don't like to
scroll through lines and lines of text.  Thus, you can break the document up 
into multiple "pages" (or screens, if that makes anything clearer).  

The other idea is to take advantage of the fact that this is hypertext
and move away from the linear book thinking.  For example, you can
structure a text to be a quick overview on the subject with various
sections that the reader can select to go onto a more in-depth treatment.
However, this will require *careful* thought.  My opinion is that a
structure like this won't work for a group this large and varied.
(However, this is an idea that they can try next time around)

JR:
>DL:
> > o I assume the convention of figures captions on bottom (with periods)
> >   and table captions on top (without sentence periods)?  Figure/Tables 
> >   page centered?  Flow around text?  
>
> PM again comments:
> > Although it is meaningful to centre things horizontally, what does it
> > mean to centre figure/tables vertically in an HTML document?
> 
> It's meaningless.  But I think David was referring to horizontal
> centering anyway.  As for captions being above tables and below
> figures...  Well, I've never quite understood the reasoning behind
> that, but then I suppose there's no reason to buck tradition.

Constructive use of (HTML entity) tables (which we seem to not like) allows 
for many interesting possibilities. :)  There are lots of tricks out
there so that almost any layout can be achievable (though generally tied to
a particular screen size :).

Regards,
DCL

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And the debate rages on...

PS:
> Hi, all - I second (third) the motion to stick with the basic html set to
> ensure the widest possible audience -

DL:
> The other option is to have two sets of pages, one for the non-extension
> people and one for the people who like for things to look nice.

Uh, huh.  And who gets the wonderfully fun job of making sure the two
sets remain consistent with each other?  :-T

You know, I've spent a *LOT* of time and effort in the past finding
ways to make Netscape and other HTML extensions work while at the same
time making the pages readable with browsers that don't support said
extensions.  There are many things you can do to facilitate this.  For
example, a simple table (i.e. one with short contents in each cell)
can be made viable in a non-tables browser with creative use of 
      ,

       and   (i.e.  ).  It takes a bit of time, but it's worth
it when all browsers can view the same HTML and see more or less the
same thing.

That's why I said that I don't mind the use of those extensions that
still render well in other browsers.

DL:
> BTW, Pris, why have an abstract per chapter?  Typically that should be
> the introductionary section.

Or, in the scenario you describe, in a top level page that lists all
the chapters.  An abstract would then let visitors decide which
sections they really want to read.

DL:
> BTW, consider an email dicussion...
> It's a absolutely great way to fill up your mail basket.

Oh, yeah... like I need help doing *that* :-)  Seriously though, we're
trying!

DL:
> Might be nice to have a mailing list for each editorial group to
> help facilitate the discussions.

This I agree on 200%!

JR:
> Ah, a LaTeX user!  The basic idea seems sound.  I *DO NOT* think we

DL:
> Er, not really.  I prefer WYSIWYG (say Microshaft Word :).  

Microsoft?  Oh, I'm sorry.  You have my sympathies ;-)
I'm a WYSIWYG kinda guy myself, but you don't wanna get my started on
anything from MS!  :-)

> I personally don't think we should have sub-subsections.  Usually indicative
> of poor organization :)

Sub-subsections, if absolutely necessary, are best handled as bolded
intros to the paragraphs in question, and they should *not* be
numbered or referenced in the table of contents.

JR:
> There is no such thing as "font selection" as far as I'm concerned.
> At least not beyond  and the occassional , , or .
> If I have my druthers, we will not be using the Netscape 
> extension to change colors or font sizes.  Spacing alteration beyond
> 
      , 
      , and the like is also something to be avoided.

DL:
> See previous comment to Pris.  Another thing is the list tags -- use
> them or gif images as bullets?  So many decisions :)

Eh, gif images as bullets are one thing I generally view as overkill.
They're not bad if they're just used on like one main list on the top
level page, but they become very annoying when used repeatedly.  They
distract the user from the real content of the document.  Extensions,
when used, should be used because because they enhance the readers
ability to understand the material.  I don't think we should go the
GIF bullet route for the body.

And  changes should be used sparingly.  Occasionally, they can
be used to good effect to get small caps and the like, but they're
generally a pain to use in that circumstance.  And changing colors is
just a no-no, IMHO.  It makes it impossible to determine what's text
and what's a link.

Now something like a small and unobtrusive background image (read: the
kind that just puts a stripe of color down the left hand side of the
page) is not too bad.  It adds some visual interest and doesn't
interfere with browsers that can't support it.  On the other hand, a
background image that runs over the entire page is *very* annoying.
It either makes the text hard to read or it's so washed out that it
might as well not be there.  All IMHO, of course.

DL:
> As to the discussion on pages, it's mine (and alot of other people's --
> if I dig hard enough I can find you published articles) opinion that long
> pages are a serious pain to read.

> The other idea is to take advantage of the fact that this is hypertext
> and move away from the linear book thinking.

For a good example of how both of these concepts can be used
effectively, check out the YALE C/AIM WWW Style Manual
(http://info.med.yale.edu/caim/StyleManual_Top.HTML), which is also a
great resource about effective web site design in and of itself.

DL:
> Constructive use of (HTML entity) tables (which we seem to not like) allows 
> for many interesting possibilities. :)  There are lots of tricks out
> there so that almost any layout can be achievable (though generally tied to
> a particular screen size :).

And it's exactly the problem of tying pages to a certain screen size
that we want to avoid.  Tables should only be used when we can come up
with a way that non-tabled browsers can view them in a meaningful
fashion.  As I've said before, this is more often than you might
think.  But it does require some care.

Joe R
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> 
> Hi, all - I second (third) the motion to stick with the basic html set to
> ensure the widest possible audience -
> 

I thought this class was beyond the basics.

I think we should take full advantage of HTML3.2 and use
the latest addition "style sheets" 
(even thought only Internet Explorer supports then, by the time we finish writting it
Netscape 4.0 would be out).


> don't use:
> center
> sub/superscripts
> table tags (use 
       instead)
> colored text
> background graphics or sounds
> font specification
> frames
> blinking, barking, or whirling gizmos
> plug-ins
> 

This book should not be just plain text.  It should be a full
multimedia presentation with images, tables, colors, fonts, etc.

I also agree that we should only use HTML standard features and not
extensions (e.g., blink, marquee, etc.)


How about getting a newsgroup for this class? maybe vt.class.cs6204
This would cut down on emails.

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Constantinos (CP) adds his $.05 (adjusted for inflation):
> I think we should take full advantage of HTML3.2 and use the latest
> addition "style sheets" (even thought only Internet Explorer
> supports then, by the time we finish writting it Netscape 4.0 would
> be out).

Ummmmm...  I was under the impression that style sheets were still in
flux and hadn't been ratified as an official spec yet.  Besides, I
don't believe HTML 3.2 has the necessary handles off which to hang
style sheets.  That was one of the things to be added in the (still
very much up-in-the-air) HTML 4.0.  Yeah, I just checked.  The
necessary attributes aren't included in HTML 3.2.  And given the
notoriously slow speed of the W3C when it comes to putting out new
HTML specs, I don't expect to see this stuff firmed up in time for us
to use it.

Besides, is NS 4.0 really due out in three months?  I didn't think it
was that soon.

> This book should not be just plain text.  It should be a full
> multimedia presentation with images, tables, colors, fonts, etc.

Be careful with that term "multimedia".  Makes too many people think
of video and animation.  And unless someone's section is specifically
devoted to that topic, such things are *not* a good idea.  Distracts
too much from the important stuff.

The rest of the stuff...  Yes, it should be included.  But only when
it can be done as an *enhancement*, not as a requirement.  And even
using HTML 3.2, the only FONT enhancements are to change size and
color, and I've already established my feelings on those.

> I also agree that we should only use HTML standard features and not
> extensions (e.g., blink, marquee, etc.)

AMEN!

> How about getting a newsgroup for this class? maybe vt.class.cs6204
> This would cut down on emails.

T'would be nice.  Of course, considering how rare those are around
here, I've gotta think there's some opposition somewhere to these.

Joe R
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I think we need to decide on a name for this book of ours.

Is it just going to be "The Web Book"?  That comes across as a little
bit cocky, I think.  We're "*THE* Web Book"?  Eh, I don't think so...

Is it going to be "WWW: Beyond the Basics"?  A bit better than the
above, and it would seem to describe our subject material a bit
better.

Or do we want something completely different?

I ask this only because this book is being put together in a much more
parallel fashion than most.  Ordinarily, the title would be one of the
the last things written.  But it would still be done before the lion's
share of the graphical design is firmed up.  And a title can have a
great deal of impact on the way a book should look and feel.  So does
the audience, for that matter.  However, in this project, graphical
design is being performed in parallel, indeed almost before, the
writing of the actual text.  So the order of other things needs to be
shuffled around too.

You see, there are ways in graphical design to make things look very
formal, and then there are ways to make them look much more laid back.
And in order to produce a design that effectively captures the tone of
our book, we need to know what that tone is.  Really, I suppose if we
could decide on the tone we want, that would be enough.  But at the
same time, a good title might help make that tone more tangible and
concrete for everyone.

Anyway, this is something that needs to be decided in one form or
another.  Where do we wanna take this?

(And any of you who thought this was going to be a straightforward
 process haven't been in grad school *nearly* long enough :-)

Joe R.
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>(And any of you who thought this was going to be a straightforward
> process haven't been in grad school *nearly* long enough :-)

Amen to that! :)

As was mentioned, that abstracts could be included (since they are going to
be written anyway) to give a user a taste of the chapter and see if they
want to read the whole thing. Also having the abstracts on line early would
let the ad
folks have something to send to the indexers (webcrawler et.al.) as there
is a lag between announcing and indexing - keywords for a chapter would
most likely show up in an abstract.

As for basic vs extended html - I'm sure we have all experienced web sites
that were designed with one browser in mind and fail miserably when
accessed with something else.  I am biased towards the lowest common
denominator (LYNX) for the largest possible audience to see something as I
intended it.  "Content is King" But this is ultimately the decision of the
style board so I won't say more about it.

pris

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I collected a few articles that might help a few people in their book  
chapters.  Come to my office to get a copy.

Copyright Warning (Web Publishing is proving to have its legal risks)

Java vs. ActiveX:  still too soon to pick winner in 'Net battle

Internet - Federal judges block censorship

Microsoft grand slam (describes Intranet tools)

Sun Lawyers fight for Java (Sun's sueing anyone using ww.*java*.com as a  
domain name)

Distributed Java is in the works

Vendors promise Java in OS

Shedding light on a 'darkside hacker' (Justice Department & surveillance on  
the Internet)

Will X Mark the Intranet Spot?  (Active X Documents + internets - history and  
security)

MCI unclogs 'Net pipe (MCI's backbone speed upgrade)


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Alright, everyone!  You've been asking for it, so here it is.  Release
1.0 of the web book style templates.

Our design for the main page is available at:
  http://hci.ise.vt.edu/~jreiss/wwwbtb/index.html

Each chapter on this table of contents will be a link to a chapter
overview page.  The overview will contain the abstract, a chapter
table of contents, and a link to a chapter references page.  The
template for an overview page is at:
  http://hci.ise.vt.edu/~jreiss/wwwbtb/chap0/index-t.html

We're recommending that each chapter be contained in its own directory
(aka chap1, chap2, etc).  Moreover, it should be split into several
pages instead of being one monolithic document.  No more than one
"Section" per file.  This will allow people to find particular
sections more easily and will also minimize the dreaded "scrolling"
problem :-)

We've provided a template that gives the basic framework of a body
page and also contains examples of several things you might want to
use in your chapters.  Headers, figures, tables, references...  You'll
find it at:
  http://hci.ise.vt.edu/~jreiss/wwwbtb/chap0/body-t.html

You'll notice we have PREV and NEXT links at the bottom of each page.
Within a chapter, the meanings of these should be pretty obvious.  The
only issue is at the beginning and end of a chapter.  The following
diagram indicates how the linkages are intended to be set up at the
end of a chapter.

        Last page     	Overview        First page
        of Chap N 	of Chap N+1     of Chap N+1
         ________ 	 ________ 	 ________
        |        |	|        |	|        |
        |    NEXT|----->|    NEXT|----->|    NEXT|----->
  <-----|PREV    |<-----|PREV    |<-----|PREV    |
        |________|	|________|	|________|

Now, we probably didn't think of everything people will want to do.
So if there's something you want to do with that we didn't cover, just
ask us and we'll come up with a style for it.  :-)

We also welcome any and all comments on our current design.  Please,
let us know what you think!

Joe, Kelly & Shaohong
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I plan to say a few general things about Java tommorrow in class,
and then go over the examples in Section 4 of the Nutshell book.
So you might look over section 4 before class.  On Thursday
we'll continue with examples from later sections.

-MA

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Hello, all,

A few minor updates to our style pages.  First, we added space for the
author's name right beneath the chapter title on the overview page.
Second, we've got a sample references page available at:
    http://hci.ise.vt.edu/~jreiss/wwwbtb/chap0/refs.html

Finally, we've got a page where all the information contained in our
emails to the class will be archived.  That one is:
    http://hci.ise.vt.edu/~jreiss/wwwbtb/notes.html

As always, feel free to provide comments and suggestions on what we've
done.

Have a day!

Joe, Kelly & Shaohong
The group with *STYLE* :-)    
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From phanouri@vt.edu  Wed Sep 25 21:45:26 1996
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To submit an abstract goto:
http://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/phanouri-cgi/Abstract_Submission_Form.pl

Select your email.
And fill in the keyword and abstract sections:

In then abstract you may include HTML tags BUT:

When submitting an abstract do NOT include the follow tags:





       
       etc...

the above tags will be inserted by the cgi script
do include:
  
       
        etc...


also you may submit as many times as you want.

To see if your abstract was submitted correctly:
use: http://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/~vijay/www.html

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Constantinos Phanouriou
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From abrams@daphne.cs.vt.edu  Tue Oct  1 17:59:40 1996
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A couple of persons asked what electronic resources are available in  
our classroom for presentations...

The computer in the room is a 486dx with windows 95 and MS office  
(hence powerpoint) and Netscape 3.0.

I am happy to set it up whenever anyone needs it for a presentation.

If you need other software, please let me know; I can put it on the  
computer or bring a laptop.

Finally, please give an electronic copy of your presentation to Steve  
Williams for posting on the class Web pages (in powerpoint, pdf, or  
postscript).

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Subject: 6204: need a client for Web page redesign or Web project?

If you are looking for a client for Web page design, you might consider one of  
the following two from the client list  
(http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~wwwbtb/fall.96/projectList.html).  These people are very  
anxious to find someone to work with in the class:


       Virginia Tech Intellectual Properties, Inc. (VTIP)


       Academy of Teaching Excellence at Virginia Tech

VTIP wants Java applets written, as well as Web page design.  The Academy of  
Teaching Excellence wants just Web page redesign.

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I encourage you to look at the Web page on Java that Dr. Kafura 
created for our Northern Va section of CS6204:

http://actor.cs.vt.edu/~kafura/JavaCourse.html

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Could everyone please add your project or Web page design to our list 
on the Web within one week by
using the links to the forms on the home page for CS6204 (to
http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~wwwbtb/fall.96/Jobs/JobSubmit.html and
http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~wwwbtb/fall.96/Project/ProjSubmit.html).  You must
use a Web browser in the domain .vt.edu to use the form.  Right now
there are only a few people listed.  If you have any problem
using the form, please report the problem to williams@csgrad.

Also, after you use the form, please check that your information has
been added to the list (using
http://ei.cs.vt.edu/cgi-bin/wwwbtb/ProjLookByClient.pl or
http://ei.cs.vt.edu/cgi-bin/wwwbtb/ProjLookByClient.pl).

Thanks!

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>I guess the overall question
>is -- if I wanted to make the Web page design 60% of the class grade, how
>big should it be to do so?  


Use this as a guideline:  a 3 credit course is defined to require 6 hours of  
work outside of class.  There are 14.5 weeks in a semester.  So you have 87  
hours of work outside of class during the semester.  If your project is 60% of  
the grade, then you should spend 0.6*87=52.2 hours on it.  If you want 30% to  
be for Web page design then spend 26 hours on it.

Finally, I will grade your Web page design or project as follows:  You must  
ask the client to send me an email note evaluating how well you met the  
requirements that they had for you.  This is the primary factor in the grade I  
assign.  Normally I'd expect lots of glowing evaluations which will lead to  
lots of satisfying grades :)


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Howdy,

	Guidelines for art in the WebBook are available at

	http://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/~pbrooks/artGuidelines.html 

	If you have _any_ artwork in your chapter, please read and adhere to
these guidelines.

	Thanks,
	Patrick and Farooq (art eds)

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I have added a new potential client for web page design project..
for those still looking.

Please search for "Curriculum Team" at
http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~wwwbtb/fall.96/projectList.html
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CGI-BIN links on actor have been set up for those who requested
the link AND have an account on actor.

In many cases I had to create the cgi-bin directory from your
home directory. Make sure you own it.(I think I chowned all)

For your reference a script or program in 
/home/cool_user/cgi-bin  has a URL of 
http://actor.cs.vt.edu/cgi-bin/cool_user/

Remember stdout is redirected to the client browser.
Always filter user input variables.
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If you're designing Web pages or Web applications to a company, then
consider the "WWW Business Innovations Contest" sponsored by the
Viginia Center for Innovative Technology.  There is a $5000 prize.

See http://www.cit.org and then click on the "WWW Business Innovation
Contest" icon.

If you do enter, please let me know!

From jreiss@discus.ise.vt.edu  Sat Oct 26 13:34:03 1996
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And the chaos continues...

Several people have indicated some uncertainty about applying the
style guidelines.  So, to possibly help this somewhat, I'm making my
chapter available for everyone to peruse.  *Hopefully* it should be
faithful to the guidelines we Style Editors have established (or won't
I look foolish :-)

Surf on over to "http://hci.ise.vt.edu/~jreiss/wwwbtb/chap10/" and
have a look.  Keep in mind the content is only first draft quality, of
course :-)

A few teeny tiny changes worth noting.  The Editorial Board decreed
that copyright for a chapter remains with the author of that chapter.
As such, the copyright line at the bottom of each page had to be
modified to reflect this.

The only other minor change that comes to mind is that, in order to
get things to line up better on the overview page, I enclosed the
"References" link in a 
      , thus shifting it to the right to
better line up with the ordered list of sections.

Maybe this example will help answer some of the questions people
have.  If any questions remain, please ask and we'll try to answer
them.

From the Mouse of Style...
Joe, Kelly, & Shaohong
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From haim@spider01.cc.vt.edu  Mon Oct 28 12:40:35 1996
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Due to changes in the class enrollment since last publication of the 
review assignments, the list is now being re-edited and will be published 
by tomorrow (Tue. 10/29). Please check the web page later tomorrow for 
your final assignments. 

Somebody asked the Review Committee if the chapter can be modified 
while the review process takes place. The decision is -- yes, it can, 
if it is coordinated with the reviewers and probably the Editor Board. I 
am not sure about the latter as it is not clear at this stage how the 
submission will take place. In my opinion each chapter having a pointer 
to the author's own web site is the best, that way we can all look at the 
most recent version, if the author wishes so.

Dan Haim

Department of Computer Science | Phone : (540) 552-3645    
Virginia Polytechnic Institute | Fax   : (540) 231-7511 
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106      | Email : haim@vt.edu    


From haim@spider01.cc.vt.edu  Mon Oct 28 14:57:51 1996
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> 
> Do the reviewers start their work right away, or do you guys wait for the
> copy editors to finish their editing before you begin your review?
> 

A good point. If we have each chapter available at each author's local 
area we can start reviewing immediately and save precious time. I 
recommand that each author sends the location of his/her chapter to the 
Editorial board, Review Board AND his/her own reviewers (email list for 
class is available), that way we ensure no delays.

Please make sure your chapter is accessible from the `outside' world.

Dan Haim

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The review assignments are now posted on the web at (or via the class web 
page)

http://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/~haim/review_assign.html

Please identify your reviewers and email them the URL at which they can
find your chapter (please consult the class E-mail list on the web). Also
mail the URL to the Production Editor: Theodoros David,
tpd@birch.ee.vt.edu. Deadline for submission is today, Oct 29, 11:59:59pm. 

Make sure that after submitting your URL, NO CHANGES are allowed to the
files to be reviewed, unless it is coordinated and agreed upon with BOTH
reviewers. 

Please note the change in the due date for the Second Draft, Nov. 22nd,
due to the Thanksgiving break. Editorial Board, please make sure this
change gets into the file

http://dil.vetmed.vt.edu/wwwbtb/timeline.html.

Also, since two people dropped the class, I now count 26 chapters. This 
needs to be reflected in the files related to the writing assignments, 
in particular (Joe, pay attention)

http://hci.ise.vt.edu/~jreiss/wwwbtb/index.html

so that we have the correct numbers in our written chapters.

Enjoy (if you survived it so far),

Dan Haim

Department of Computer Science | Phone : (540) 552-3645    
Virginia Polytechnic Institute | Fax   : (540) 231-7511 
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106      | Email : haim@vt.edu    


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'Lo, everyone.

Two new things are now available on the Style Editors' page
(http://hci.ise.vt.edu/~jreiss/wwwbtb/contents.html).

First, I've included a link to the official home of the web book and
to the directories which contain the banner and navigational images.
This should help people who can't download the GIFs themselves.

Second, I've included a reference to "html-helper-mode".  Yeah, I
probably should have provided this much earlier.  Sorry!  This is an
Emacs mode that's pretty much a superset of the "html.el" provided
elsewhere in the course notes.  It provides support for Emacs 19 menus
and highlighting, and it will automatically update the modification
timestamp for you everytime you save an HTML file with the proper tags
in it.

(Yes, now you know what those  comments in the
style templates are all about).

I've also updated the ToC page to reflect the removal of two chapters
from the book.  Part III (User Interfaces) no contains only two
chapters, since both lost chapters were in this section.  I had to
shuffle things around to get the two columns to balance again.  Yeesh!

Hope this all helps some.  And here's hoping we're all still sane when
this is all over.  Or at least that we're no more insane than we
already are.

Joe
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From pbrooks@csgrad.cs.vt.edu  Tue Oct 29 16:20:21 1996
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Subject: Change the allocation of grades in Web class ??
To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:20:20 -0500 (EST)
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Howdy,

	I recently spoke with Dr. Abrams about changing the allocation
of grades in the Web class.  He said to put together a proposal and
present it.  So, my proposal is:

          10% for Web server install/config
          40% for Web chapter and presentation
          10% for participation in creating the WebBook (includes
              participation in your assigned job and the quality of your
              reviews of other chapters)
          40% for Web page redesign/Web project
        
	As has been discussed in class, the 40% for Web page
redesign/Web project can be allocated as each individual sees fit.

	To help Dr. Abrams assign the participation grade, each person
could write a note at the end of the semester containing:
 - What their position in the WebBook accomplished (As art
   editors, Farooq and I wrote guidelines, verified adherence to these
   guidelines, blah blah blah)
 - How each person in the position contributed (Farooq and I
   shared the work equally)
 - The reviewers for their chapter (My reviewers were Bill Gates and
   Andrew Grove)
 - The quality of the reviews (Bill's review was pretty useless,
   Andrew's review suggested some changes to the organization that
   improved my chapter)

	I think the class members are spending a great deal of time
on the WebBook, and our grades should reflect this.  The participation
grade is intended to motivate group members to do their share, and to
spend time on the chapter reviews.

	Please return your agreement/disagreement and any discussion
directly to me (so that we don't use the mailing list and fill folks'
mailboxes with discussion).  I'll summarize and present to Dr. Abrams.
If it is necessary, I'll ask for class time to discuss.

	Remember that your mail program's reply button may reply to
the entire mailing list, so mail me directly at
pbrooks@csgrad.cs.vt.edu.

	Thanks for your time,
	Patrick Brooks

	
      
-- 
Patrick Brooks		Grad Student, Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept.
pbrooks@vt.edu

From jreiss@discus.ise.vt.edu  Tue Oct 29 17:00:40 1996
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Subject: CS6204: Part V chapter shuffle
To: wwwbtb@ei.cs.vt.edu (WWWBTB Class)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:00:37 -0500 (EST)
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Sorry for sending this to the entire list, but there were just too
many people who might be affected by it.

Upon student request, the chapters in the Part V of the web book
(Object Oriented Programming) have been reorganized slightly.  The new
order is:

   19. WWW Objects	    Ashish Shah
   20. CORBA		    Padmapriya Vasudevan
   21. Java		    Guowei Huang
   22. Web Applications	    Constantinos Phanouriou

This request was made because, when the Web Applications chapter
replaced the original one on OLE, it was less directly related to the
WWW Objects chapter than are CORBA and Java.  So, in the interest of
keeping related things close together, Web Applications has been
moved.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience I'm sure this will cause.  Please
don't take it out on me; I'm just a humble servant with limited
authority who's trying to meet the demands of 26 different masters :-T

Joe
  (who wouldn't be at all surprised to see the entire structure of the
   book redone before this is all over)

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Hi Editorial Board Members,


From the discussion in class, we agreed upon the following issues:

(1)  First Drafts are due by 12:00am tonight.
(2)  The URL should be sent to your 2 reviewers.  See Web Page for the list
     of reviewers.  The list will be available sometime this afternoon.
(3)  After the reviewers have reviewed the documents, the URLs and reviewers
     comments should be sent to the Editorial Board.  The Editorial Board
     will review the reviewers comments to resolve conflicts over document
     changes.  Editorial Board will pass the reviewers' comments (and maybe
     some of our own) on to the authors.
(4)  Authors should make changes after the Editorial Board have passed the
     reviewers comments to you.
(5)  Copy Editors and Style Editors will review the document after the authors
     have finished making revisions.  We saw no conflict with this because the
     two groups are looking for different types of errors.  See Web Page of
     duties assigned by Dr. Abrams for more detail. 

The above information has also been incorporated into the Editorial Board's
Page.

NOTE:  Advertisers, Where are you?


Felicia, Calin, Pris, and George

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Hi Editorial Board Members,


From the discussion in class, we agreed upon the following issues:

(1)  First Drafts are due by 12:00am tonight.
(2)  The URL should be sent to your 2 reviewers.  See Web Page for the list
     of reviewers.  The list will be available sometime this afternoon.
(3)  After the reviewers have reviewed the documents, the URLs and reviewers
     comments should be sent to the Editorial Board.  The Editorial Board
     will review the reviewers comments to resolve conflicts over document
     changes.  Editorial Board will pass the reviewers' comments (and maybe
     some of our own) on to the authors.
(4)  Authors should make changes after the Editorial Board have passed the
     reviewers comments to you.
(5)  Copy Editors and Style Editors will review the document after the authors
     have finished making revisions.  We saw no conflict with this because the
     two groups are looking for different types of errors.  See Web Page of
     duties assigned by Dr. Abrams for more detail. 

The above information has also been incorporated into the Editorial Board's
Page.

NOTE:  Advertisers, Where are you?


Felicia, Calin, Pris, and George

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Please, please, please send your URL's to your reviewers+production 
editor, NOT the review committee. See 

http://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/~haim/review_assign.html

for further information.

Thanks,

Dan Haim

Department of Computer Science | Phone : (540) 552-3645    
Virginia Polytechnic Institute | Fax   : (540) 231-7511 
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106      | Email : haim@vt.edu    


From pbrooks@csgrad.cs.vt.edu  Wed Oct 30 14:46:20 1996
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Subject: Grading proposal -- version 2.0
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Howdy,

	I spoke with Dr. Abrams again today (Wed 10/30) about changing
the allocation of grades in the WWW class.  We developed a new
proposal, which is:

	10% -- Web server install/config
	10% -- Presentations (Chapter & Project)
    min 15% -- Book Chapter
    min 15% -- Book Job (Editor, reviewer, advertiser, etc)
    min 15% -- Web Project/Page redesign

	The Book Chapter, Book Job, and Project are all variable --
allocate them as you want above 15%.  Thus I might choose to make my
distribution like:

	10% -- Web server install/config
	10% -- Presentations (Chapter & Project)
	35% -- book chapter
	15% -- Book Job
	30% -- Web Project/Page redesign
       -----
        100%

	Each student defines their own distribution.  The minimum of
15% is designed to require us to do all three parts -- it doesn't
allow me to allocate 80% to my book chapter and ignore the project and
book job. 

	Making the book job a part of the grade allows people to
receive credit for the amount of work they put into their assigned
jobs.  For example, the editorial board has put in more time than  
the other jobs (on average), so their grades should reflect this.

	The criteria for grading the presentations are 
  (1) did the student give two presentations (book chapter and project
      presentations), and 
  (2) did the student give an adequate presentation.  
Dr. Abrams says that so far everyone has received full credit on their
presentations.  The only problem would be if a presenter was obviously
unprepared (which is not typical for a 6000-level class). 
	
	We can discuss this in-class after the chapter presentations
are completed (in about three class meetings).  Hopefully, a class
discussion will not be necessary. 

	Continue to send any discussion directly to me at
pbrooks@vt.edu.  If you disagree, please be certain to contact me so
that we can incorporate your suggestions.

	Thanks for your time,
	Patrick Brooks

--
Patrick Brooks		Grad Student, Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept.
pbrooks@vt.edu

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I don't want to open a debate, but can we/Dr. Abrams decide on when to
submit the grade portions? I will have an idea only towards the end of
Nov./beginning of Dec. on how much time I actually spent on each section. 

Some indication from Dr. Abrams on how well we did so far on each section 
will definitely help.... (just a joke!).

Dan Haim

Department of Computer Science | Phone : (540) 552-3645    
Virginia Polytechnic Institute | Fax   : (540) 231-7511 
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106      | Email : haim@vt.edu    


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Subject: MLA citations for web references

Here are two places to look for information on citations for web-based
references.  If it is still necessary, I or someone else could do a short
talk on the subject in a couple weeks.

http://falcon.eku.edu/honors/beyond-mla/
http://www.cas.usf.edu/english/walker/mla.html

 - Pris

_______________________________________________________
Thanks for your kind attention - I'm outta here!
Pris Sears | sears@vt.edu | wk phone 540-231-4427 (USA)



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Subject: CS6204:  comments on grading

There's been some discussion about grading and grade percentages for CS6204  
recently, and I don't want you to spend more time worrying about grades than  
learning about the Web.  After all, we're here to learn!  So here are a few  
comments:

- I will not compare students in assigning grades.  I won't compare how hard  
your book chapter was to write to another student.  I won't compare how many  
hours one student put into a task to another student.  Because no two students  
will write about the same chapter, do the same Web book jobs, or design the  
same Web pages, comparing two students would be like comparing apples and  
oranges.

- I will ask whether you completed all assignments.  In addition:

  o I will not assign a numeric or letter grade to the class presentations, 

    the Web server installation, or the Web book job you do - if you do a 

    responsible job then you get an "A" for those items.
    

  o For the Web page design and Web app, you must have your "client" send me a 

    brief statement evaluating your work - did it satisfy the client's needs, 

    whatever they were?  If the client is satisfied, then you get an "A" for 

    that part.
    

  o That leaves the Web book chapter.  To assign a grade, I will ask three
    questions:
    

    - Did you adequately treat the topic?
    - Did you address the reviewers' concerns?
    - Is the organization, grammar, spelling, usage, and mechanics acceptable?  

      (Because your chapter is reviewed and copy edited, this should not be a 

      problem.)

This is a 6000 level class, every one of you is a mature student that I  
believe is learning from the class, and that everyone is interested in the  
subject material. So I expect that when the class ends, there will be a number  
of students that did all they were assigned, inspired satisfied notes from  
their Web pages/app clients, and wrote nice book chapters.  They will receive  
an "A", and in this case the percentages are irrelevant.

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Hello everybody,

Please visit the official main index of the book at:

http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~wwwbtb/book/

Make sure I have the correct link to your chapter. Chapters without
a link mean that I still didn't receive a URL for them yet.

Thanks,

Theodoros P. David
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The Review Board, in conjunction with Dr. Abrams, has come up with the 
following procedure for submitting/accessing the reviews:

1. Send your comments to the author

2. send your comments to me, haim@vt.edu (please note that I will put the 
comments `as is', i.e. I WILL NOT correct gremmmer/tipografical errors).

3. I will put a pointer in the table at

http://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/~haim/review_assign.html

for each reviewer, which will bring you to his/her comments. That way Dr. 
Abrams can access the reviews easily as well as other members of the 
class. When the second review comes back there will be two pointers next 
to each reviewer.

Please note the deadline for the first review: Tuesday, Nov. 12 (a week
from now). 


Dan Haim

Department of Computer Science | Phone : (540) 552-3645    
Virginia Polytechnic Institute | Fax   : (540) 231-7511 
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106      | Email : haim@vt.edu    


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        Department of Computer Science Distinguished Speaker Series
            11am - 12:00, Monday, Nov. 11, 1996 in McBryde 209

                        The Utah Digital Signature Act
                        Lee Hollaar
                        Professor of Computer Science
                        University of Utah

ABSTRACT
In 1995, Utah became the first government in the world to official recognize
digital signatures as being as valid as conventionally-written signatures.
This legislation, combining state-of-the-art cryptography with the ancient
legal ceremony of signature, is serving as the model for other governments'
support of electronic commerce.  The infrastructure necessary to implement
the legislation is currently being implemented.

The technical aspects of digital signatures, particularly the use of public
key cryptography to assure that only a particular person could be the signer,
will be presented first.  Then the need for an identification infrastructure
to assure that a public key is properly associated with that particular  
person,
and how this is achieved by the Utah Digital Signature Act, will be discussed.
Finally, speculation regarding the future of electronic commerce with digital
signatures will be provided.

BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH
Lee Hollaar is a Professor of Computer Science at the University of Utah.
He received his Ph.D. in Computer Science from the University of Illinois at
Urbana-Champaign in 1975, and was on the faculty there until 1980, when he
joined the faculty at the University of Utah.  His research has included the
development of one of the first distributed system for information retrieval
and special-purpose hardware systems for inverted-file operations and rapid
text searching.

Professor Hollaar's interests now are in intellectual property and computer
law.  Currently on sabbatical leave, he is an intern at the United States
Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit and a scholar-in-residence at the
Dinwoodey Center for Intellectual Property Studies at the George Washington
University.  He has been an advisor to Congress and a number of government
agencies, and was one of the authors of the Utah Digital Signature Act and
currently serves on the committee overseeing its implementation.


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> Are the reviews to be submitted as standard ASCII text files?
> 

Yes, that's the easiest.  If you want to make it fancier, go ahead. 


Dan Haim

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Virginia Polytechnic Institute | Fax   : (540) 231-7511 
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Due to the urgency of the situation, I decided to adopt the suggestion of 
Pris and add guidelines for the review process, which were taken from

http://www.ospi.wednet.edu/voc/TechComm/Text/SEC7.TXT

Feel free to go to the source. You can access them via the review 
assignment page (note the new `improved' look) at 

http://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/~haim/review_assign.html

or directly at

http://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/~haim/review_proc.html

Let me make sure you all understand that these are not binding rules and 
each one of you is mature enough to make his/her own judgement on what is 
appropriate (at least, this is my personal view). I am open for 
suggestions on how to improve the guidelines.

Those of you who already submitted your comments, you may want to look 
over them again and make necessary changes/additions by the deadline 
(Tue. 11/12).


Dan Haim

Department of Computer Science | Phone : (540) 552-3645    
Virginia Polytechnic Institute | Fax   : (540) 231-7511 
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106      | Email : haim@vt.edu    


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I will be out-of-town from noon today through Sunday
night.

Therefore, my regularly scheduled office hours for Friday are cancelled.
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Due to the multiple versions of Headings for the Title/Table of Content,
the editorial board (along with the style board) have decided that it
is important that we be consistent with those items.  So, as a suggestion
for the reviewers, ensure that the following format is followed.

(1) It is not necessary to have "Overview" with the title.  Instead
     use "ABSTRACT" (all capitalized).  See Chapter 23 by Theodoros P. David
     for example.

(2) There should also be a "CHAPTER CONTENT" (all capitalized) heading
    for each book section. 

(3) Ensure that all other format is as specified in Joe Reiss's paper.  For
    example, all headings are to the left of the page and the title format
    is chapter number followed by "." followed by the chapter title.


Regards,


The Editorial and Style Board


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Please see the "What's New" section of the home page for your section of  
CS6204 for a link to the requirements for the Web Server installation project. 


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I put a pointer next to each reviewer's name marked "1" (for first review)
which will lead to his/her review of that specific chapter. For (my)
efficiency all marks are now there, but only 10/52 will actually lead you
to a real review. I am not editing those reviews for lack of time, so they
include email headers and are txt format so your browser should display
them as 
       html formatted (my apologies). 

To make my job easier I would appreciate it if people supply me with a 
subject line : "cs6204: review for chapter xx".

Thanks,

Dan Haim

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Virginia Polytechnic Institute | Fax   : (540) 231-7511 
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106      | Email : haim@vt.edu    


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I am not feeling well today and will not be available at my
office hours today. I intend to check mail again this evening
if you have any questions or want to see me tomorrow, send mail
and I'll get back to you.
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ei.cs.vt.edu will be down for about 2 hours on thursday, november 14, for
the new system disk to be installed.  please plan accordingly.

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my apologies for not including the time:

ei.cs.vt.edu will be down for about 2 hours on thursday, november 14,
beginning at 8am for the new system disk to be installed.  please
plan accordingly.

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Subject: 6204:  J++ demo

Microsoft Visual J++ demo

WHEN:  Nov. 13
WHERE: McBryde 218 7:00-9:00PM

WHO:   Chris Weight
       Microsoft Software Design Engineer, Java Group
       will be doing the presentation.

WHAT:  Topics covered:
       ----------------
       Visual J++
       Java the language
       ActiveX
       DCOM (Distributed COM)
       OLE & Java interaction
       etc.


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For those of you who have noticed that the Web Project submission form
broke...it is fixed (and the Web Page Redesign submission form as well).

Sorry for any frustrations. 
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Per request of some people and in agreement with Dr. Abrams, access to the
reviews is now user/password restricted to certain people. The reviewer and
the author both have a copy of the review concerning them. 

I now have 34/52 reviews in. Please make sure you send your review by 
midnight so people can start correcting their chapters. The corrections 
are due on 11/22 (10 days from now).

Dan Haim

Department of Computer Science | Phone : (540) 552-3645    
Virginia Polytechnic Institute | Fax   : (540) 231-7511 
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106      | Email : haim@vt.edu    


From haim@spider01.cc.vt.edu  Tue Nov 12 16:52:08 1996
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Due to numerous requests by people who have the 5014 project due in by
tomorrow (Wed. 11/13), I think it would be fair to extend the due date for
first review till midnight tomorrow (Wed. 11/12). 

Dan Haim

Department of Computer Science | Phone : (540) 552-3645    
Virginia Polytechnic Institute | Fax   : (540) 231-7511 
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106      | Email : haim@vt.edu    


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Subject: grading of book chapters and reviews

In determining your CS6204 course grade, I will grade the final version of  
your book chapter - not any earlier drafts.

I will also grade each review of a chapter.  If a chapter receives an "A"  
grade, then I'll assume the reviews were adequate.  If a book chapter receives  
a grade less than "A", then I will look at the chapter's reviews to see if the  
reviews were adequate to help improve the chapter's quality.

So it is in the interest of authors and reviewers to work together to achieve  
the best possible book chapter.

A comment on the question of who has "final call" on a conflict between a  
reviewer's view and the author's view.  In the 15 years since I first  
submitted a paper for publication, I cannot recall a single instance of being  
at loggerheads with a reviewer or an author.  Sometimes differences in opinion  
arose, but these could always be resolved if the reviewer and editor looked at  
the difference with an open mind and both were willing to compromise, and  
worked together in the spirit of achieving the best possible publication.

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Subject: change in tonight's J++ demo



Begin forwarded message:

From: Jim Miller 
Subject: Change in Presentation Location
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There has been a change in the location of the Microsoft Presentation
tommorrow night. The new location is Holden 114.

Thanks,

-Jim
---------------------------
Jim Miller
Microsoft Corporation
Developer Division


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The instructions in http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~wwwbtb/fall.96/WebServer/ refer to  
using the command "ps -x".  If you're using actor.cs.vt.edu for your project,  
use "/usr/ucb/ps -x", because there are two versions of ps.

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Subject: CS6204: Request

If you gave (or plan to give) Steve or myself a URL to your chapter  
presentation (rather than powerpoint slides), then please do the following.

Suppose your presentation is on csgrad in ~/public_html/my_presen/.  Then do

	tar -cvf /tmp/.tar ~/public_html/my_presen" 

	
to create a tar file.  Then email the name to Steve, who will untar the files  
and make a link to them on ei.

I'd like to get the slides on ei, rather than csgrad, so you can delete them  
after the semester is done, but they'll remain on ei (e.g., for use in next  
summer's Web class for undergrads).

Thanks!

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Marc Abrams wrote:
> 
> If you gave (or plan to give) Steve or myself a URL to your chapter
> presentation (rather than powerpoint slides), then please do the following.
> 
> Suppose your presentation is on csgrad in ~/public_html/my_presen/.  Then do
> 
>         tar -cvf /tmp/.tar ~/public_html/my_presen/"
> 

I would prefer that you:
  cd ~/public_html/my_presen/
  tar cf .tar

Then mail me the URL.

Otherwise the extraction will create unnecessary subdirectories.
Also, please put ALL html and ALL gif files in one directory.
Make sure that HREFs are all relative.

> 
> to create a tar file.  Then email the name to Steve, who will untar the files
> and make a link to them on ei.
> 
> I'd like to get the slides on ei, rather than csgrad, so you can delete them
> after the semester is done, but they'll remain on ei (e.g., for use in next
> summer's Web class for undergrads).
> 
> Thanks!

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Subject: Looking for a Web-related job?

I learned last weekend that there are sever my northern Va. section  
of 6204 trying to hire CS people for Web-related positions.  Salaries  
sound pretty good because there is a shortage of Web knowledgeable  
people in the Wash. DC area.  The people listed below are students in  
my class (all are pleasant people to talk to), so feel free to  
mention that you got their phone from me.

Abacus Technology Crop, Silver Spring, MD 

Gary L. McIrvin, Senior Associate
Voice: (301) 495-8440
Fax:   (301) 495-8483

Systems Research and Applications Corporation, Fairfax, VA
(I have some brochures on this company.)
Toby G. Delrahim, Information Engineer
Voice:  703-502-1208
Fax:    703-803-1793
toby_delrahim@sra.com
http://www.sra.com

Vision International, Alexandria
Skills needed:  GIS, databases, multithreaded servers, compilers
David J. Wiseman, Product Manager
Voice:  703-658-6123
Fax:    703-658-6150
dwiseman@autometric.com

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Let me repeat what was decided today in class regarding the second reviews:

1) Chapters are due to be fixed (style, reviewers comments) and in `almost' 
   final format by this Friday, 11/22.

2) Second review for each chapter will be done by the SAME reviewers who 
   did the first review. Their job is basically to make sure that things 
   they remarked on are fixed.

3) Any unresolved conflicts will be examined by the extra reviewer after 
   being brought to the editorial board.

4) Deadline for second review is Dec. 5. Please make sure that this 
   deadline is strictly observed. The author needs to make final changes 
   almost immediately in order for the style editor/html syntax verifier
   and others who are involved in the final production of the book to be 
   able to meet the final draft's deadline on Dec. 10, so that the final 
   version can be put on the web by Dec. 12.


Dan Haim

Department of Computer Science | Phone : (540) 552-3645    
Virginia Polytechnic Institute | Fax   : (540) 231-7511 
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106      | Email : haim@vt.edu    


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Here is the news release from Sally Harris.  She needs it back by 
tomorrow so if anyone has any changes, PLEASE send them to me tonight.  
I will be sending the message back to her around 10am (I will not be 
available after then, Sorry :) ).  

It is actually a good article.  Take a look and let me know.

Regards,

Vonda  


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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:22:27 -0800
From: Sally Harris 
To: vondap@csgrad.cs.vt.edu
Subject: News Release

        Below is the news release.  Please be sure Dr. Abrams okays it.  If
you can get it back to me tomorrow, it would be a big help, since I hope to
use this as one example for a media request we got about grad-student work
online and I need to send that in soon.  If you all make changes, please do
so in all caps so I can find them easily.  Thanks.


COMPUTER-SCIENCE GRAD STUDENTS PUBLISH BOOK ONLINE


BLACKSBURG, November 20, 1996 -- Computer-science students in Marc Abrams's
graduate-level class "The World Wide Web:  Beyond the Basics" are
publishing online a book about the World Wide Web.
        The book presents an overview of the Web in 26 chapters grouped
into six categories:  Introduction, Social Aspects, User Interfaces,
Standards, Object-Oriented Programming, and The Future.  Chapters include
topics such as "Demographics," "Freedom of Speech," "Real-time Audio and
Video," "HTML," "Java," and "The Internet for the Masses."  Each chapter
was researched and written by a student in the class, according to Vonda
Patterson, an M.S. student in charge of publicity for the book and author
of the chapter on "The Internet Today."
        The book is being written for novice users of the WWW who know a
little bit about it and want to know more and also for professional users
who want viewpoints on certain subjects, Patterson said.  "It has a good
summary of the privacy issue," she said, "and also a good chapter on
education and the Web."  The latter chapter, she said, focuses on ways
educators use the Web and whether that use improves the Web.
        By doing the book this way, the students get a feel for the way
they must submit a paper to a journal or a chapter for a book, Patterson
said. The chapters are presented as they would be for publication, are
reviewed and edited, and then are published as part of the online book.
Also, each student in the class must serve an additional role such as
reviewer of articles or member of the editorial board, style board, or
advisory board.
        Abrams said there was a pedagogical and a practical purpose for
having the class do the book.  He wanted to get away from traditional
teaching methods and employ a constructionist approach in which students
together construct the knowledge about a subject and the teacher serves as
a guide.  The students learn by discovering information, writing about it,
and critiquing each other's work.
        Practically, he said, it is unlikely that a single person would
know enough about the Web to teach everything the students need.  By doing
the book, they could learn more as all 26 students researched the subjects
and presented them in class than they could if Abrams presented the
material himself.
        A third motivation, Abrams said, was that the computer-science
department has been looking for ways in the curriculum to use more
teamwork, since employers are interested in people trained to work as a
team.  Abrams got the idea for doing the book from Ben Shneiderman, a
professor at the University of Maryland who presented a lecture at Virginia
Tech and has had his students do a book in another field.
        The Virginia Tech book, which is online now in the form the
students presented for peer review, can be read by anyone with access to
the Web.  It can be accessed at http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~wwwbtb/fall.96/book.



_______________________________________________________
Sally L. Harris
Public Relations Coordinator
College of Arts and Sciences
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
(Virginia Tech)
e-mail:  slharris@vt.edu
Phone: 540/231-6759
Fax:  540/231-3380







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From: sears@vt.edu (pris sears)
Subject: CS6204 electronic citations

Hi, all - I have gotten some answers on how to cite multiple instances of
the same author in a chapter - thanks to Dr. Andrew Harnack, Writing
Program Administrator, Department of English, Eastern Kentucky University
(Email: engharnack@acs.eku.edu). He is one of the persons
responsible for the page I presented in class
(http://falcon.eku.edu/honors/beyond-mla/).

So here is the situation:

 In the text, for your first reference so something like this:

        As Harnack observes, "blah, blah, blah ...." (Short title of
doc#1, e.g., "Hypertext Theory").  Moreover, Harnack contends that such
theoretical work is necessary because we need to rethink the linear
construction of ordinary thought (Short title of doc#2, e.g.,
"Rethinking").

Each short title is hyperlinked to an entry in your Works Cited like this:
(titles go in alphabetic order)

        Harnack, Andrew.  "Hypertext Theory." Publication/URL Info. Etc.
        ---.  "Rethinking The Way We Think." Publication/URL Info. Etc.

If the author is not clear from the context, you could put (Harnack,
"Hypertext Theory).  This way, printed versions of the document will still
retain the linage to the proper reference.

If there is only 1 instance of the author in your chapter, just use the
author's name as the link to the reference, ie (Harnack)

Hope that helps - Pris

_______________________________________________________
Thanks for your kind attention - I'm outta here!
Pris Sears | sears@vt.edu | wk phone 540-231-4427 (USA)



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